Selling PR Samples

This thorny subject has raised its head again – selling samples is something that has been happening long before bloggers and influencers. Diary Directory (industry directory) ran a brief article outlining suggested codes of conduct for both influencers, journalists and PRs which set the whole subject in motion again.

Historically, this is a practice that has always gone on – a ‘nearly new’ store in Kensington was a known spot to hit for cut-price designer fashion and beauty bargains due to its location (near a well-known publication or two), which the launch of Ebay eventually put paid to. At that time ‘influencers’ didn’t exist and with less people to send to, brands were very generous – entire collections would arrive at your desk. When blogs and Instagram also didn’t even exist, beauty product that wasn’t creamed off and quietly disposed of went to internal beauty sales, with the proceeds going to charity.

It’s so much more complicated than just suggesting that product should be given to charity. A lot of my product goes to local events (school fund-raisers, etc), dry shampoo to the local old people’s home (easy because it’s next door!) and raffle prizes. I have a couple of ‘sales’ annually where the money goes to charity – something that I worry about if I can’t actually prove where it went (often the first charity box I see at the station) so I’m more strict about where it goes now. Charities usually don’t actually want used make-up or half a bottle of cleanser and the entire purpose of a site that tests is that you use the product.

We’ve fallen into a murky area regarding expectation. Product just arrives – it’s not a controllable thing. It’s impossible to say what the expectation from a brand is when they send out 54 shades of foundation to one person or what the thought process was behind the decision to do so but I suspect that going large is what gets them an extra avalanche of Instagram hits so samples, and how they’re sent, are as much a part of the marketing message as anything else. I’ve been sent more helium balloons than I can mention, giant ‘novelty’ boxes containing two or three products and hampers the size of a wardrobe. I very rarely publish anything about them because the whole ‘look what I’ve got’ thing just isn’t for me although I’ll invariably feature the products. In the end, some of it goes in the bin – sad to say, but I’m not going to be the one that sends retinol to the primary school for some five year old to give their mum a red face for Christmas.

There are more aspiring influencers than you can possibly imagine. They see what their favourite Instagrammers get from brands and that becomes their aspiration – to get stuff. If there is one thing that Instagrammers are good at is creating an idealized world that looks as though they’re at the receiving end of a continuous stream of generosity and money. There is a handful living that reality, making it look easy for everyone else. It’s not easy. In fact, many would-be influencers never make a penny and their moment in the spotlight is extremely brief. I can see how selling a few PR samples can seem to be just compensation for promoting a brand – entirely expected by brands, by the way. Because that’s where we are at – the aspiration is to be able to promote products. Receiving and showing ‘pr’ is the entire purpose of some accounts because nobody new knows any different any more.

The Diary (HERE) suggests not requesting PR samples that you don’t intend to use. But, what if you’ve put all your eggs in the influencer basket because of how easy it seems and the only way in the moment to finance this is to try and recoup some costs from a parcel of make up? Brands look like an endless supply so it doesn’t look like there’s anything wrong with that.  Diary also suggests to PRs (if there are any…. It’s mainly marketers now) to be mindful of what they’re sending – both are good suggestions, but when you’ve got a marketing department that’s ordered 500 specially made boxes rammed to the hilt, what can you do? You have to send them. Back in the day, PRs ruled with a rod of iron but their positions are so undermined in favour of marketing that their local, on the ground, knowledge is ignored.

A lot of brands really don’t care – they’re aiming for reach, not quality. That authenticity that brands proclaim to want so much? Not really – they just want to smash it on Instagram and they’re not that bothered how it happens. The measure of a good campaign is how many people ‘liked’ the product, not whether it’s a good product.

There are now resale sites where influencers openly sell their unwanted products. So, you can see what’s been sent out. I’m looking right now at Bobbi Brown, Bondi Sands, Benefit and Elemis. Fashion-wise, I can see M&S, Top Shop and K-Swiss. Added to that, the influencers themselves are showcasing, so you can shop by influencer if you want to. Some, I’m sure, are purchases they made themselves, but it’s a stretch of credulity to imagine they all bought the same Reebok (e.g.)  top and decided they didn’t want it any more.

It’s a little sanctimonious to suggest they should all off-load to charity – I’m not going to make any assumptions that they don’t already. Those items have done their job – appeared on Instagram – so don’t they now belong to the influencer to do as they please with? Could the brands care less? I doubt it.

None of this is new – social media has just made it more visible and prevalent. We’re going round in circles where brands give, recipient sells and everyone should be happy; it’s the perfect recycling, after all. In reality, it’s created a frenzy of product chasing – where you either succeed or fail at influencing. The more you get, the more successful you are – marketers now have their ultimate dream: that their products are seen as benchmarks of success and people are falling over themselves to oblige.

Except, it’s making a lot of people very unhappy. At the waste, at the excess and at the bench-marking – its origins are fuelling competitiveness, insecurity and a sense of failure.  I don’t have any answers here – all I know is that sample selling is now comes from a highly complex and emotive place, and quite frankly it was better when journalists quietly sent their excess face creams to their mum to sell to her friends. It was discrete, uncomplicated and an unspoken way to raise a little extra to supplement the woeful press salaries.


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21 responses to “Selling PR Samples”

  1. Fantastic article Jane on what is such a murky subject, the word “gift” often being attached to samples suggest just that, and if Auntie Flo gifts you a hideous jumper are you obligated to keep it?
    I saw a comment the other day from a blogger that said if brands actually paid bloggers they wouldn’t need to sell! The other thing that often occurs to me is that the brand could be getting double promo, the purchaser could be a blogger that didn’t get PR and buys the product cheap to feature?
    Lyn.

    1. Jane

      Actually, that’s a good point. The whole dumbing down of what are actually product samples comes from brands themselves – i.e. gifts, goodies, goodie bags etc, make them seem frivolous and fluffy. If you want recipients to take your products seriously, present them professionally!

  2. Rachel

    I think there is a place for sending out complete shade ranges to a few cherry picked bloggers. People like you and Ree, I see as the more informative and objective bloggers, so a post or 2 of full swatches from someone like the 2 of you is ok. But when you see 20 Clinique lipsticks going to every single blogger, and you know that they’re only going to end up in one instagram post, it is too much.

    I have no problem with bloggers selling samples, as long as the brands are happy. The accountant in me hopes they’re paying tax on it all though!

    Like you say, I think everything is just more visible now. I remember people kicking off recently about Benefit launching a mascara in the Maldives, but someone pointed out that the big beauty editors used to get perks like this all the time, it’s just that it wasn’t all over instagram. I have to say that I am put off buying the ridiculously extravagant gifty brands now. I’d much rather have a cheaper mascara than pay for influencers to go on 30+ press trips a year!

    1. Jane

      If I have a choice, I usually ask for the darkest, the lightest and my personal shade. Good point re accountancy! Yes, you’re right.. there are legendary press trips when brands were reliant on print media – I did a few myself, but they were totally different because there was no Instagram to document them. So, they were much more ‘professional’ and about learning rather than about partying (although that entertainment element always existed). A lot of people felt the same way about the Benefit trip – it looked fantastic but it’s one of the launches that made consumers suddenly question why they’re paying so much for products. There’s a happy medium I think.

    2. Lizzie

      That’s such a good point about the tax implications.

      I’m lucky enough to be of an age and situation where I have a nice discretionary budget for skin care etc. and I go out of my way to avoid launches that have spent tens of thousands of pounds shipping influencers to Ibiza, or whatever (Nars Climax mascara springs to mind). The consumer is literally being asked to fund those trips through their purchases, and I find it incredibly distasteful.

      I’m also increasingly put off by how Gleam has fingers in so many pies. Influencers all promoting each other’s absolutely egregious (and probably ghost-written) lifestyle books; Everybody suddenly switching from Cult Beauty to Space NK, from Deciem to *never mentioning Deciem*. I could go on. They think we’re stupid.

      (Sorry if this is too much and you feel you can’t let it through moderation. I appreciate that this is a difficult line to walk.)

  3. Donna

    I remember buying from Ebay a bottle of perfume(niche), the seller was a photographer and openly admitted that the beauty products he was selling had only been used in photo shoots for magazines and brand new.

    There was a thread on Basenotes(perfume forum), recently about how an SA in the US had been sacked for giving very large decants to friends from the tester stock. Others mentioned in the US how SAs would give tester bottles free to customers if they bought from them. Here in the UK, this is not allowed and the companies insist part used tester bottles are destroyed.

    I do know that certain brands when staff go training are given products free someone working for Annick Goutal was told to just take however many bottles she wanted. These in many cases do end up on Ebay.

    SpaceNK used to keep a watch on Ebay for certain brands launching with them after staff training to see if they suddenly turned up on Ebay in large numbers.

  4. This is such a complicated area and one that I’ve seen a lot of chatter about recently; I’m in two minds and can honestly see if from both perspectives. Many brands don’t check that the samples are wanted or even relevant to the recipient, while others happily send 10 different foundations when you only really need one – although giving products away is an option for most, I can understand that a PR package with a potential value of £100s is tempting to sell if you’re scraping by month on month.

    So many brands refuse to pay bloggers, so the only compensation for the time we spend creating and promoting content is the product; if it’s been sent in good faith and received with the aim of trying and reviewing, what’s the harm if that product is then passed on to someone else for a few quid? There’s no contract entered in to, and like you say, this has been going on for years before the dawn of influencers. (I remember the CEW awards being a hotbed for people going to take all they could and then it’d all be on ebay within the week!)

    My issue, however, is this: when you’re recommending a product or hailing it as a must have, you can’t publicly then sell it on because you don’t want it. If it’s easily visible, it’s a trust thing. I see so many ‘grammers sell clothes that are ‘only worn once / still with tags’ that they’ve been wearing all over Insta so they can attach an affiliate link; I see so many beauty bloggers selling on products they’ve been paid to promote, often before they’re even available to buy. That’s not okay.

    Personally I give a LOT to a local food bank, to local charities and to friends – but often people don’t want or accept a half used bottle or swatched lipstick, so what do we do with those? Chucking them away seems wasteful in an age of sustainability.

  5. Isabelle

    A French beauty blogger I know had a great idea. She regularly puts together items she was sent and does not use in a beauty box. The winner of the box has to make a donation to a charity of her/his choice in order to get the box. It does not solve every single problem you have underlined but I thought it was quite clever.

    Isabelle, France

  6. Pet

    One of my housemates started a makeup blog and quickly became popular enough to get samples from all their favourite high end brands. It sounds ridiculous but by the end she didn’t like having samples come because she couldn’t enjoy the products in the same way that she could when she was a consumer. As a consumer you go to the counter, you look at everything, maybe speak to the SA, you choose your favourite and you buy it. By choosing it and buying it you give it value as the chosen one, and as the one which you invested in. When she got the whole collection, it was necessarily devalued. It also became a job as obviously these PRs send it to you as part of their job, therefore you are now inextricably linked to their work and have become by your acceptance, their contracted worker. In short, my housemate felt that knowing the PR and knowing that a bad review will unfairly be held against them, made her feel she couldn’t be honest because she’d had tea with a PR and got along (most of the people she met were her age and they even had mutual friends sometimes!) This was a couple of years ago so maybe it’s not the same but I’m sure it is! The result was: having to couch criticism carefully and having the pressure to herd the audience to buy. It was all enough to make her give it up and go back to buying her own products. She still blogs but for a while she couldn’t even get back into it. I appreciate you shining a light on this but as you say, there isn’t a solution. Ideally the bloggers would use their own money, but that’s not going to happen when someone is being offered it for free. Jefree star is the only one who supposedly goes that route, but he’s shady as I bet he gets all that Gucci for free to do their promo for them His last video with Shane Dawson, it was all Gucci. If he’d bought it I think he’d have got a mixture of designers. Just my opinion .

    1. Jane

      That’s a real dilemma – being honest and impartial is what’s actually useful to readers and keeps them coming because there are so few genuine reviews any more. I still buy product from time to time because it’s important to be that consumer and remember the experience but I couldn’t, at the rate I blog, buy everything. A lot of brands have gone from my site over the years – they won’t send and why should they when there is a ready audience who will ‘love it’ rather than someone who will expose it. I just have to be clear to myself over and over that I’m writing for readers and not for brands – which ironically turns out to be the wrong sort of ‘authentic’ :-).

  7. Trimperley

    I wish that star pencil in the photo had been available when I was a teenager. What lippy are you wearing it looks good?

    I have no problem with bloggers selling stuff that their given, better that than it ends up in landfill. However I would rather go without than buy second hand cosmetics. Is there really that big a market for this stuff?

    1. Jane

      Definitely a market for it. I can’t remember what lipstick it is .. sorry.. was taken a while ago – the pencil is from Lottie London tho!

  8. I started blogging over 10 years ago when it felt like it was more very black and white to sell PR samples, i.e. don’t do it. The lines are much more blurred now, as more and more bloggers do it. I believe this is due to the rise of blogging as people’s full time jobs rather than hobbies (it is very much still a hobby for me). I can understand if people are not making enough money to eat or pay their bills, and have no choice but to sell the products in order to make ends meet, but most bloggers who do it seem to do it out of greed instead of necessity.

    I still personally think it’s unethical, I’d much rather see people donate the products to shelters than sell it for profit. I’ve had conversations about this with some of the PR people I work closely with, and they also think it should be frowned upon, but acknowledge that there’s nothing they can do to stop it. The people who most commonly sell their samples are bloggers that are “bigger name,” likely because they get so many products to begin with that they cannot use, but the PR people have little choice to still send them products in hopes it’ll get featured.

    One particular blogger I used to follow, used to bring her husband and kid to PR events to get three gift bags, and then would “miraculously end up with so much extras” that she had “no choice but to sell them.”

  9. HolleeDaze

    From a marketing perspective, I think samples being sold online is great. Especially if it’s a new product. People get to try it at a discount then they may become a loyal buyer of that product in future.

    If you are given something to write about, you create a piece and post, that transaction is then fulfilled. You have to question how rules can then be tied to that product.

    I see no point in throwing away decent makeup. I also see no harm in attempting to make some money back especially when PRs actually compensating financially for the time it takes to curate blogs/articles is becoming far and fewer.

  10. Miggs

    I remember a couple of years ago on instagram an up-and-coming beauty blogger who was at about the 10000-followers level was absolutely ripped apart when someone figured out he was selling free product on ebay. There were threads with hundreds of comments alleging he was a scammer, people claimed they were feeling betrayed and shocked. It was honestly like a feeding frenzy. Within a day his instagram was gone, his youtube account, his personal website, everything. I often think about it and wonder what made so many people lose perspective over what really wasn’t so awful.

  11. Carole

    It’s an interesting topic and as a simple consumer I’ve enjoyed reading the comments to gain an incite into how it works behind the scenes. It always niggles me that in the UK when I can spend £30 – £80 at a beauty counter e.g. Bobbi Brown the SA never offers any samples yet in the US they are given freely to customers. Don’t they provide samples anymore to the bricks & mortar customer?

    1. Trimperley

      Carole I agree about the samples. Its crazy that the stores don’t give samples when its not hard to find online sites that offer samples with a comparable purchase. I’m also mystified as to why sales assistants never close the sale with the offer a spray of perfume when folks make a purchase. Smell is one service that’s not available over the internet

  12. As a reader and blogger myself, I would be fine with influencers selling what they have clearly expressed a dislike for. If the foundation is too dark or the body lotion too scented for their sensitive skin, and they have told me that, upholding their promise of a feature to the brand, I see no issue with it. However, if I see a rave review on Monday and the same product on Depop on Wednesday, I’d lose a lot of trust!

  13. Kylie Jenner

    As a beauty enthusiast who buys a lot of makeup at RRP, I’m grateful when greedy influencers sell their castoffs for half the price, especially if the product hasn’t even released yet!

  14. As a blogger myself I have to admit it is still a delicate subject. I personally very rare get PR and so I buy a lot of products for review purposes. I admit that after I post a review I try to cash back on some of the money that I invested by selling some makeup and reinvest it back in the blog by buying new products. For me is a way to minimize my looses but usually people will buy them if u make 75-90% discounts so u could barely call it a profit when u get 25£ for a palette that u just bought a few days before at Harrods for 100£. Usually the bloggers / influencers that get a lot of PR rarely buy anything with their own money so yeah if they sell is a profit but I still won’t judge. Once that product has made its purpose, was blogged about / poested, filmed etc then I don’t see a problem why you can’t part with it. To be honest I would see the money from PR products going to charity or different charitable causes, giveaways or other ways to get back to your audience.

    Selling PR products is a practice that’s always been there for some and will continue to be.

    I remember a beauty director of a prestigious International magazine for women that created a website to sell the products she was receiving in PR or from the beauty events she was invited. She was making a huge profit as many bloggers were buying newly launch products from her so they can re-post on thier blogs as they couldn’t afford to pay the full price in store or the product would have been launched 1 month after and they wanted to be among the first to review it. All PRs knew about her practice but they never cross her off the list. She was still in business when I came to London :).

    I love reading these type of articles on your blog. You always say it right! 😉

    1. Jane

      Thanks Tavia! I think it’s up to each individual what they do – if you’ve bought it yourself its nobody’s business but yours what you do with it afterwards.. reselling works for everyone in that respect. I think a good way around it might be for PRs to specifically say ‘we would prefer that you did not sell product we send for personal profit – if you don’t want to keep it, please return it.’ Then we’d be clearer – and if something arrives without that indication it would be safe to assume that nobody minds if it is sold on. I’ve noticed that sample availability is becoming less – so the huge quantities being sent out might be diminishing.

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