When PRs Won’t Talk!

There’s nothing like a PR silence to get you wondering what on earth you did wrong. Bloggers get dropped like stones all the time for reasons that none of us will probably ever know. I have to admit, it doesn’t happen to me often – rarely, in fact – but it’s happened recently with a fashion brand, and it’s enough of a sharp reminder for me do a post on it.

I hear from bloggers a lot, worried that they’ve fallen off certain press lists, but the way things have worked out, probably nobody is certain to be there forever. There are gazillions of bloggers, so PRs can pick and choose as much as they like. And beauty blogs have such numbers that even if you’re right up there with the stats, it’s no guarantee.

So, why does it matter? In a lot of cases, it doesn’t matter – information on all brands is spread across the internet (even early info and sneak peeks all make their way online regardless of release dates) and there are usually pictures, too. And, if you want to swatch, there’s always the shops! So, there’s always a way around sharing information you really want to share with your readers.

Most brands are happy to send out samples to established bloggers, and for those with higher numbers, it’s an easy win for them. In an established relationship you know how it works. If a product is flagged on a very high stats blog, then the tables are turned somewhat – the blogger is giving far more in coverage than could be considered equal to a few lipsticks. But that’s really not what it’s about – it’s about working with a mutual respect for each other. I’ve been dropped from a couple of agencies and in-house brands for giving less than favourable reviews – and conversely, I’ve also refused to work with a couple of brands – but I could buy and blog them as much as I want to, in theory, and still in a truthful way. If I thought that failing PR relationships would stop me giving truthful reviews, I might as well give up right now.

Nonetheless, if you feel as a blogger you have an established relationship with a PR, and suddenly you’re dropped like a stone, I think it’s incumbent upon the PR not to leave you guessing. We can all respect honesty – what I find hard to respect is the cowardly no-reply.

So, I’ll give you my experience as an example. I was invited to a fashion press day (several times) with the sweetener that their client wanted to gift me a pair of boots. The reason they wanted to gift was because last time I blogged about them, the brand got a lot of click throughs. As they would – they’re an amazing product. Now, I already have those boots, and didn’t really want or need another pair, but since I live in them during winter, I went to the press show. While there, I saw another brand’s (looked after by the same agency) pair of boots which I wanted. Looking through the emails, my exact words were, “could I have a sample” for photography (in fashion, it is expected unless expressly stated that samples are exactly that – as in, you give them back), and then asking the PR if she could let me know when they go on-line. In my email, I also say “I am happy to buy my own”. That’s totally clear (and in fact, they’re on order right now) but if they had pre-samples I’d like a pair.

Since I’ve shown up to the show, there has been maybe one email, and literally nothing ever since. And this is from a PR that emailed every single week without fail (and interestingly, is still emailing a couple of writers for Thebeautyplus.com). I know I sent plenty of click throughs to the website because I can track them. I don’t mind if there are no samples, to keep or otherwise, because I’ve already got the one pair and have the other on order! I phoned to request an image.. the PR was mysteriously in a meeting, having all but bitten the phone in half with eagerness before. I guess I could have used an internet sourced image from the get-go and bypassed the PR altogether, which is mostly what I do anyway in these circumstances – but you know, I thought we got on great! The brand has totally missed out on coverage so far which is a disservice from their PR who promised to let me know when they’d gone live. It’s not a freebie = blog post – I’ve bought them.. I’ll probably be blogging them anyway, it’s just a lack of information right down the line for no apparent reason.

The whole PR/Blogger relationship is always up for debate – I sometimes feel very down and fed up about the fact that everyone always wants something. Like, there is no room for real friendships because the need for coverage consistently gets in the way. I keep my barriers up and on the odd occasion that I’ve let them down I’ve been stung. One bitten, twice shy, etc. And, it’s quite a painful experience when the penny drops that it never was what you thought it was. I have a small handful of PR ‘friends’ that I see out of work for chats and dinner and it’s always lovely, but I’m always a little on the back-foot and just waiting for the sting – which actually is pretty unfair on them when you think about it.

As a blogger, I am a big time-resource for PRs – I know it. I post between 3 and 5 times a day, do my research for hours so I sometimes know what their brands are doing before they do! Most are patient to the point of saintliness. But my experience with the fashion brand will be a very familiar one to lots of beauty bloggers who find themselves on the end of a silence. If the PR or brand won’t reply, they won’t reply. You can’t make them, but what you can do is be the better person and lay that relationship to rest without banging nails into it. Let it go. Lots of brands will be thrilled to have your coverage, lots of brands will realise that samples are irrelevant if you’re passionate about beauty and lots will understand your commitment and value. It’s just the odd few letting the side down and the fact is, I will probably never, ever know what went wrong. Silence is like that.

 


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24 responses to “When PRs Won’t Talk!”

  1. Julia

    I’m not sure what brand you’re talking about but I got slightly confused with the situation: they invited you to an event (I guess at a dept store or similar) for their boots and you saw another brand’s pair that you liked so you requested info from the first brand’s PR team? If they work in a dept store that sells other brands I don’t see why they just couldn’t refer you/your request to said brand’s PR and keep working with you. God knows I have more than one pair of shoes and you probably do too? It seems very childish of them, especially since you had a good relationship before.

    I really enjoy your blog. I know it might not have the best pictures or the longest posts but I come here for honesty and up to date info and I really appreciate how thoughtful and smart you seem. You were one of the biggest inspirations for me to start my own! So don’t worry if brands drop you because of who you are because that is what’s getting you readers and we are usually much more loyal 😉

    1. Jane

      No, no! Totally the same PR.. it was a showcase of all their brands. Thanks Julia.. I know my photography isn’t great – sorry, sorry – and thank you so much for saying my blog inspired you to start your own. That’s about the best thing a blogger can ever hear! x

  2. Trimperley

    Never mix business with pleasure, that way it’s never personal.
    I wouldn’t be a regular reader if you sugar coated every review.

  3. Minty

    Yours is one of 3 blogs I read every post on. Simply because you speak as you find.

    If I want a sanitised PR review of a product I’ll visit their website. If I want the low down then its your blog!!

    Don’t you go changing x

    1. Jane

      Aww thank you Minty :-)) xxx

  4. I really agree Jane. I appeared to be dropped by quite an established beauty brand (although they may not be long for this world the rate they’re going) that I’d given a huge amount of coverage to over the years and it wasn’t until I rang up and threw a massive strop (which I’m not UUUUUSUALLY one for) that I was reinstated on their press list; this was after sending many emails that seemed to disappear into cyber-space.

    PR is a dying industry because of practices like this.

  5. Great post Jane. My bugbear is when PRs want you to review, take your address details and then don’t sent the item! What’s that about.

  6. I think you just have to let it go when these things happen, really, it’s no big deal. It’s rude and unprofessional not to email and let you know what’s going on, but that’s life and there isn’t much you can do about it.

  7. Wow, I thought it happens only in my part of the world! PRs here work on a networking basis, more than working with influential blogs they work with people who will always right the ‘good’ only – once a PR even called up and said ‘you are the only one who did not like the product, every other blogger has said such nice things about the product’ – and this when the product had a reaction on my skin – well that brand and PR never tried to contact me again and then there are others who only like chitty-chatty girls – so the quiet me is always off their list 🙁

  8. Nic

    Hey Jane, this is outrageous! As both a fashion and beauty PR I can say that honesty is the best policy and if she couldn’t gift you the boots – just say so!! It’s like this gutless people that can’t finish a relationship and just go quiet and leave the other person wondering “what did I do?” . Not all PRs are like that but I know that there are plenty out there who are and for that I apologise!!! I love your honesty and always enjoy working with you. Keep it up!! X

    1. Jane

      Thanks Nic… the absolute majority of PRs are brilliant to work with and I’m lucky this doesn’t happen very often because it does happen to a lot of bloggers regularly. If I was blogging for free boots, I’d be sorely disappointed though!

  9. R

    I’m no beauty blogger, I’m just a girl who loves makeup and all things beauty, I always read your blog; even on a day I have a deadline 🙂 and I love your honesty Jane. Whether or not I buy the product you write about doesn’t matter because I just enjoy reading your content! And I agree with you that sometimes it’s just best to let the relationship take it’s natural course and let people go.whether it’s beauty brand PR or a personal relationship.
    I have been reading your blog for years now. This is the first time I’m posting (Sorry!) Hoping to read much more wonderful stuff from you!

  10. I didn’t know this so thank you for sharing your story. I love that you’re being honest in your reviews.

    If the brand does their job well and the product works fine, then they have nothing to worry about. If their product is crappy, they should make the product better and improve themselves and not punish a blogger for pointing out the flaws.

  11. Ali Harriman

    There is nothing wrong with your photos Jane! Just thought I’d get that in there. It strikes me that this reflects badly on the brand being represented, don’t you think?

    1. Jane

      I do. But thanks for the pics comment…!

  12. Such a shame to read this experience of yours. I think that you’ve managed to articulate well the fragility of the PR and blogger relationship. I do enjoy reading your blog posts and have to thank you for writing with the passion that you do.
    Ting x

    1. Jane

      thanks Ting.. I think it is something that all bloggers will have experienced at some time x

  13. Rebecca-Louise

    For me, the one thing that gets on my nerves is when PRs leave and then don’t pass you on to another person working for the company or even let you know that they’ve left – especially when you’ve built up a good relationship with them!
    rebecca-louise, autumnleaves-x.blogspot.co.uk

  14. You have made my day! This is so helpful and inspirational! I personally blog because I enjoy it as a hobby. Lots of love Cathy xxx
    http://Www.cathyandcupcakes.blogspot.co.uk

  15. Jessica Rose

    It’s all very tit for tat guess work really isn’t it…sometimes people don’t always interpret things in the way we intended. Maybe your email request about wanting the sample made sense to you but she may read it as I want two free pairs of boots?….Did you see her at the show? How did you get on? She could have been *advised to drop you? Until you reach contact which seems highly unlikely it’s all guess work! Possibly sounds like crossed wires….haven’t you ever heard a conversation with someone and they have completely twisted something you’ve said? And you’re left thinking what!?! Onwards and upwards and *raspberries blow to her!

    1. Jane

      I said I would be happy to buy – plus she offered a free pair of boots in the first place! And this all took place at the show, then later via email. But you’re right.. onwards!

  16. MJ

    Very good post Jane. As bloggers the responsibility is towards readers not brands or PRs, not everyone understands that, but you do and that’s why your opinion and blogs are respected. The only experience I had on similar terms, was with an agency from the UK actually. They asked me if I was interested in reviewing a beauty product, at the time I was writing for a blog that wasn’t my own, I accepted to review the product. The product needed a 7-8 weeks to see results, so during that time I went on holiday and came back to find out that the person owning the blog I was writing for, decided to do other things and basically not to continue with it, so I launched my own project.
    The PR emailed me to have an update as to when the article would go out, I explained that I would be writing it, but not on that blog, on my new one, and the reply I got was on a certain tone, saying we “had a agreement” of course the issue was they wanted to go with a more established blog than my new one. I explained that at the end of the day it was a situation out my control, plus it wasn’t me who had asked for the review, THEY came to me. I did publish the blog as promised and actually my personal experience with the product was positive so it was a good review too, I emailed the link to the PR but I have not received a response since and it’s been almost 2 months, So only 3 things can happen: my PR contact was run over from a bus, or changed job, or got her knickers in a twist.
    Turns out my new site it’s doing great and in the short time it’s been out, it’s pushing almost as many numbers as the one I was writing for, so I have no doubt the growth will continue. Unfortunately, with an unprofessional behaviour as the one I experienced with this PR, they are certainly written off my own list of future collaborations, because as you said it has to be based on mutual respect.

    I was honest and upfront, but I also believe in my work and after putting the effort in the writing a photography I don’t think is a lot to ask for a response saying “thank you, we got your email”. I couldn’t care less if they would have proposed to me future reviews or not, for me professionalism comes first.

  17. Minty

    I agree with the comment that there’s nothing wrong with your photos. They show the product well and are to the point. Not unlike your posts.

    If I want pretty pictures of the products there’s Instagram.

  18. Silence is always ridiculous, for whatever reason. Quite frequently I’m told they don’t have samples available or they only have something for ‘top tier press’ – which I prefer to hear rather than getting no reply whatsoever. It’s understandable that there isn’t enough product to meet everyone’s need, and we all get it, but explanation is all that’s required. They’re a shoddy PR. End of.

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